Plastic pipe from eaves – constant flow


A plastic pipe in the eaves leaking with a constant flow is a sign of problems with the hot water storage tanks.

Why is my overflow running constantly?

Ball valve passing

Ball float split

Coil in the hot water cylinder split

Passing thermostatic mixing valves

Why is my overflow running constantly?

If the water level in a tank is too high the excess water will constantly flow from the overflow pipe. Go into the loft and take the lid off each tank. There are normally two but there can be more depending on the size and type of system you have. Take the lid off each tank and check how high the water level is in each one.

The water level should be several cm below where the brass part of the ball valve reaches.

If the overflow is constantly running then the water level in the tank will be up to or over the level of the overflow pipe. The most common reasons are:

Ball valve passing

This is by far the most likely cause. If the ball valve is passing there will be a constant drip from the valve into the storage tank in the loft. You will need to change the washer or replace the whole valve. I always find that changing the whole valve is more reliable than just a washer.

Next steps: replace the washer, replace the whole valve, or phone a plumber.

A ball float in a tank with the correct water level so the tank won't overflow
A ball float in a tank with the correct water level so the tank won’t overflow

Ball float split

If the ball float on the end of the valve has split and filled with water the float won’t float so the valve will not fully shut off. The ball float unscrews from the arm of the valve (anticlockwise) and a new one should screw on.

If the float is heavy and sounds like it’s full of water its split. It’s a standard thread so any specific ball float should fit.

Without a ball float on the arm of the valve the tank will fill continuously. Either turn off the water at the stop tap or tie up the arm so it can’t drop.

Next steps: Turn off the water or tie up the arm of the ball valve. If it is a tank that supplies hot water to your house try not to use the hot water while the ball valve is tied up. If you empty the tank you may cause air locks. Unscrew and replace the ball float.

A split ball float can cause a constant flow from the eaves
A split ball float can cause a constant flow from the eaves

Coil in the hot water cylinder split

If the coil in the hot water cylinder has split the water of the heating system and hot water cylinder will mix and try to find their own level.

Water from the mains or from the highest header tank flows into the pipework and overfills the feed tank.

This will make the lowest of the tanks overflow.

The only reasonable solution to this is to replace the hot water cylinder. This is a big and expensive job so take a lot of care confirming this is actually the cause.

Next steps: Isolate and empty one of the feed tanks in the loft and then see if it refills by itself. If it does there is a good chance of the coil being split. I would advise getting a professional second opinion due to the costs involved.

A split coil in a hot water cylinder will cause a constant flow from the eaves
A split coil in a hot water cylinder will cause a constant flow from the eaves

Passing thermostatic mixing valves

The final reason the plastic pipe is leaking from eaves with constant flow is a faulty TMV. Thermostatic mixing valves (TMV) are used to avoid scalding water being delivered to hot taps.

They work by mixing some hot water with some cold water until the desired temperature is reached.

Both the hot and cold supplies to the valve have none return valves which are supposed to stop reverse flow.

The non return valves can stick open which allows the higher pressure water (normally the cold from the mains) to travel up the hot pipe to the hot water tank.
This can be diagnosed by feeling the hot pipe feeding the tap when the tap is running. If it gets colder in comparison to other hot water pipes the cold is flowing up it.

If the non return valve fails a TMV can cause the constant flow from the eaves
If the non return valve fails a TMV can cause the constant flow from the eaves.

This can be fixed by replacing the TMV or fitting non return valves either side of it. Generally its considerably better to replace the TMV.

Next steps: Confirm the none return valve has failed by checking the temperature of the pipes on the TMV. If working properly the cold feed should be cold, the hot should be hot and the mix should be in between. When not working the hot is forced back up the pipe by the cold so the hot pipe will feel cold. Isolate the valve then replace.

Summary

Once you have determined what the cause of the problem is the next step is to isolate the water and replace or adjust the part.

If you have an accessible and working stop tap the best temporary fix is to turn off your water until you can get parts or book a plumber.

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